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2012년 월드 체스 챔피언쉽 장소에 등장하였습니다.

어린 학생들과 시뮬[다면기]행사를 가졌으면

진행중인 대회에 대해서 코멘트를 남겼습니다.

 

카스파로프의 이야기를 한번 들어보도록 하겠습니다.

 

 

Kasparov는  Peter Svidler와 New in Chess인 Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam와 이야기를 나누었습니다.

 

==대화 내용==

 

Dirk: How do you see the match so far?

Kasparov: "We're not seeing very much. One surprise that I'm sure you know [the Gruenfeld Defence], pleasant surprise for Peter"

Svidler: "Heartwarming"

Kasparov: "Heartwarming that Boris is playing the Gruenfeld. And it seems that he caught Anand by surprise."

Svidler "Somewhat."

Kasparov: "Also in game 3 Anand was close

Svidler: Yeah he got close. I was very surprised how quickly he got this ending, it seemed to me that around move 30 Vishy had serious chances for a win.

Kasparov: Also huge time.

Dirk: "What was your conclusion."

Kasparov "I haven't analysed the game, my instincts told me that somehow white probably had a winning move but it was not so easy. I think Vishy was a little bit too shallow he saw it was almost there but it required a precision which Vishy definitely doesn't show in last years. He's a little bit too quick. He had to be very precise, by anticipating black's counterp-lay and he just totally missed that black could quickly create counterplay which was sufficient for a draw.

Svidler I've seen some, I haven't done any myself, but I've seen some really detailed analysis starting from around move 30 and the conclusion seems to be there were at least huge chances, if it wasn't mathematically winning, it was very, very close.

Kasparov: The position wasn't an advantage you could press just simply playing by your hand [instinctively] you had to concentrate, this is what Spassky used to call the climax of the game and the form of the great player can be defined by an ability to smell the moment. The moment of crisis, where you have to spend more time. [Vishy was unfortunately down to a minute a move from move 30] and clearly Vishy missed this moment. He needed just to spend 20 minutes just to maybe relax and bit and maybe to look at the position from a different angle because of a unique chance of winning.

Svidler: I was surprised, I was at home and I was doing something and I left it when the bishop was on d7 on the board and I did something else for 15 minutes and I came back and the game was finished and I thought this is very odd. Because in a match like this, I understand that after three games you can't draw really many conclusions but it seems like a very tight match where one game might decide so it's a golden opportunity to do something, it was an opportunity missed.

Dirk: The longer it goes, the bigger chances it is for Gelfand?

Kasparov: I wouldn't say that the protracted crisis benefits one player or another, I think they're both under huge pressure. I said at the press conference, Gelfand hasn't won a single game against Vishy since 1993. So really puts you in a psychological.... To make you defensive. As for Vishy, I think he's sliding downhill these [last] years. He wants to win, he knows he's a better player, but it's not enough. You know that but big deal! you still have to win. There's a huge pressure on both sides for different reasons. Safety is definitely the buzzword of the event and I compare this match to the previous matches, since I left chess, professional chess. It's Kramnik-Topalov, Anand-Kramnik and Anand-Topalov and all these three matches they were very tense, a lot of ideas, and not just about decisive games, you could see there was so much fighting spirit by both sides and they were not, despite the fact they were also players of the highest callibre and they had a lot at stake, but no-one was afraid to take risks.

The way Vishy played against Kramnik 2008 I think was phenomenal, his preparation for the match, and his determination and the quality of chess he showed it was absolutely phenomenal. Dirk: And this was what everyone was hoping, his recent results were not good but so they were before.

Kasparov: His match with Topalov was already clearly a drop in quality when you look at the Kramnik match. He survived the match and in some games you saw sparkle of genius. Very often in the match he was struggling. But now you very often see a "Maginot Line", defensive wall tactics.

Dirk: How do you explain that, is it age, is it motivation, what is it?

Kasparov: What I think with Vishy is that he lost motivation. The Indian journalist criticised me for being so blunt and saying that Anand lost motivation but I said that as an Indian chess fan you should be more concerned about Anand losing motivation than me saying it. I don't know but everyone has his own reasons for that.

Dirk: I think he was eager. What I spoke to him before the match he said you don't... I mean it's a World Championship match your entire body reacts to that.

Kasparov: Hopefully we can still see some sign of greatness of the past but if you look at the record from 2008 to 2012 there are four years and it's not very inspiring and the way he played in London, in Moscow, Tal Memorial...

Svidler: He hasn't been a great tournament player for years and I think that's a concious decision by him because he just conserves energy.

Kasparov: But it's not about tournaments it's about sparkle in the eyes, when you are really in it. And by the way he won many, many top tournaments. Very impressive.

Svidler: But not in the recent past.

Kasparov: Not in the recent past but I think in tournaments there's more difficult because the lack of motivation makes you very vulnerable. Because in tournaments you have to win x number of games to be on the top. In a match you can still be cautious and maybe over-cautious but you still can prevail and obviously that's his tactics, especially as he is playing an opponent that is by many factors inferior. I mean if he played Aronian and Carlsen it would be a very different ball-game.

Dirk: So what is your assessment of Boris Gelfand? Has he been doing more or less what you expected him to do? Or is he doing better?

Kasparov: "Considering the score Gelfand had against Anand and the huge pressure on him because most likely it's his first and only chance to gain the crown I think by being under such pressure he is doing fine. As a chess kibiter I would like to see more aggressive chess played by both players I just want to have some fun but as someone who played enough World Championship matches I know there are certain situations where you have to be more concerned about the result. I think Boris is probably trying to raise the stakes. Maybe at the very end, both can stumble but I think the chance of Anand getting confused I think are a bit higher because Vishy very often stumbled in critical moments and maybe Boris' calculation. If he keeps pressure, if he brings the match to the last two games maybe he has a chance.

Svidler: A bit of pre-match analysis by Sutovsky, I don't know if you've seen it, that was his argument, he said, and I may be misquoting him, and I apologise if I am, but I thought it was an interesting observation. There are three ways this match can go: A very tense match which Vishy Anand will win eventually, a very tense match which Gelfand will win eventually or a runaway victory for Anand. And he said that number three is the likeliest of the three but of the other two the two is the likelier than the one. Basically Vishy needs to try and win this match quickly because if it doesn't go quickly the pressure on him might be bigger.

Kasparov: Lets say we go from the chess and mathematics into the casino line definitely Gelfand's chances are improving so lets say there are more draws his overall chance to be victorious is probably better because psychology will probably play a more and more important role and in the last couple of games it will be dominant if you have an equal score. Anand was not the most stable player psychologically, again considering the other factors, if chess becomes subordinate to psychology Gelfand's chances are improved.

He [Gelfand] showed he could handle it in his triumph in Kazan was clearly a demonstration of despite the fact he was the oldest player in the field he managed to preserve the energy to the very last moment. Even not just playing regular matches but also tie-breaks. The final game with Grischuk is a clear demonstration of Gelfand's ability to throw the novelty and also to preserve the energy to land one blow. So that should be a warning signal for Vishy. If he doesn't do anything in game 7. If the first 8 games are drawn it becomes very interesting, then I would say chances are absolutely even.

Dirk: It was great to hear you describe yourself as a kibiter, it's difficult to find a person who loves chess more than you. How have you been following this? You've been on the road a lot. Been extremely busy.

Kasparov: I cannot tell you that I watch all the games but the moment I am in front of the screen I look at the game... The six games played in Zuerich unfortuately you know the unofficial match provided more reasons for inspiration. I liked the match I think it was very entertaining.

Svidler: It was that.

Kasparov: Of course there was not such pressure. You have to admit playing an unofficial match doesn't put them under the same constraints as a World Championship match and if Kramnik and Aronian played a World Championship Match maybe they would be a bit more cautious but still even as an unofficial match I think it was a clear proof that classical chess can be attractive. There was a lot of fun, we saw the match, between two top players, clearly players who belong to the top notch, to the elite, they had a lot of fantasy, determination and they were fighting to the very to the very last moment. I think game 5 where there was total symmetry and in many tournaments the game would be shaking hands and walk away and they created more complications and that's impressive. That's a refutation of the theory that classical chess is dead unless you make drastic changes in the rules Fischer or whatever then the games will be all dull draws.

Dirk: The death of classical chess clearly depends on the players.

Kasparov: If you had Kramnik and Aronian and they could create a very interesting spectacle which for me as an ex-professional was a great joy because I saw classical chess is still alive and well.

Dirk: You're looking forward to the Candidates tournament next year with all the guys around.

Kasparov: Yes that will be a lot of fun. The tournament definitely there will be a lot of excitement there. The only problem with a tournament is that it's a long event but probably in the middle of the event some of the players will have lost their motivation, they are no longer seeing a chance of winning the event and then you can see a drop in their interest from their side which may effect the results because...

Dirk: The may play a dubious part in the final result

Kasparov: Exactly that's why I always thought the system will require an extra match between number one and number two where the winner of the tournament has draw odds, some sort of 6 games encounter to minimise the potential influence of the negative effects of the last couple of rounds where players from the bottom of the tournament could influence the over all result.

Svidler: It's a valid point of course.

Dirk: Your also here to play a simul I see. [vs Russian young talents]

Kasparov: I hope they are not too strong. I do play some exhibitions. It's not as aggressive as before ...

Dirk: What's your estimate of new talents in Russia?

Kasparov: I don't know. Looking at the recent results in the under-18 championships Russia is doing better than 5 or 10 years ago.

Svidler: Definitely

Kasparov: But it's still not as mighty as before. We definitely missed a strong player in the Carlsen, Giri [Giri learned much of his chess in Russia] generation because when you look at this late teenager early 20 plus... Nepomniachtchi is a good player but definitely not the level that can compete with Carlsen and Aronian. So after Grischuk basically Russia doesn't have a player of that caliber who can compete.

Svidler: We have Karjakin.

Kasparov: Even if you consider Karjakin Russian which is of course quite a big question mark I think that he's... [He then trailed out and pointed to the board that showed his Qc6 prediction worked out] Hopefully next few days will provide more fire on board.